Too much grace-based teaching rubs many people the wrong way. The most common criticism comes from those who think not enough emphasis is put on "right" living and how to avoid "bad" living. Also, there is a fear that too much "grace teaching" actually encourages people to sin because God's grace is always bigger than the bad choices people make. Paul faced the same criticism. Romans 3:8 says, "And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), 'Let us do evil that good may come'?" Paul's problem is that people thought he was going overboard with grace. There's no doubt about it - he did. He jumped off the boat of legalism and into the ocean of grace with a smile on his face.
I read this quote by Martyn Lloyd Jones last week:
The true preaching of the gospel of salvation by grace alone always leads to the possibility of this charge being brought against it. There is no better test as to whether a man is really preaching the New Testament gospel of salvation than this, that some people might misunderstand it and misinterpret it to mean that it really amounts to this, that because you are saved by grace alone it does not matter at all what you do; you can go on sinning as much as you like because it will redound all the more to the glory of grace. If my preaching and presentation of the gospel of salvation does not expose it to that misunderstanding, then it is not the gospel.
Good stuff.
Here are some "grace" qualifications that may help clear up some confusion...
Our behavior does matter. However, our behavior should not flow out of legalism. Instead, it should flow out of God's love for us and our response to his love. It's not the activity that defines its value; it's the source of that activity that makes all the difference.
The term "antinomianism" has been kicked around on this blog. The term is best defined (in my opinion) as "against the law" or "lawlessness", allowing people to act any way they want because God's grace trumps everything we do. I'm not in that camp. I don't think the Bible teaches lawlessness or that the law is bad. The Old Convenant, however, is obsolete. Here is how it's described in Hebrews 8:13, "When God said, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear".
Being soft on sin isn't the goal. Sin is our decision to tell God, "no" and that's never a good thing. I don't think we should be soft on sin but I know that we are to be soft of sinners. We are called to be compassionate to people - not critical. It's not that we shouldn't confront people about their sin but how we do it is so important. We should be loving, not patronizing. We should show grace, not condemnation. If we aren't careful, we will always think that someone else's sin is bigger that our own. What a dangerous road.
Let us be more like Christ in everything we do.
Let us sling grace.
Let us love.
Let us give grace.
Let us show mercy.
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Amen. That's the clarification that I've been missing... but I knew that was the position of this blogger and Crossroads. It's just come across at times a little different way. The suggestion wasn't to exchange grace for a gospel of legalism but to broaden the horizon with messages on the holiness of God, our identity in Christ, love, etc... which I'm sure have been touched on. I do submit, however, that the old covenant is not obsolete... it has been fulfilled and a new covenant made "in addition". Jesus didn't come to abolish the old covenant but to fulfill it and add to it (including teaching on the spirit of the law).
I don't see this blog as a place to make accusations... just asking questions and I find that my own life has been blessed by working these issues out with other pastors that I respect.
I'm not sure that "slanderous accusations" is a correct interpretation of what's been discussed here. Slander could come in the form of a sermon in which the preacher addressed this blogger... and incorrectly added intent... like "this person wants us to teach about sin and judgment and hell... good I'm glad you don't come here... why do you listen?"
All this to say... no harm no foul! I appreciate the dialogue.
Darrin. Thank you for your post, and the care you have put into it. As to criticism about too much emphasis on grace, I think we all would agree that Grace does indeed teach us how to live. Faith and works are the balance defined for us in the Bible.
The Lord has given us as you pointed out His Word to speak to us as to the truth in Jesus.
Paul did bring up the false accusation there in Rom, and went on to say in the next few verses, and really through the rest of that 6th chapter about the wonderful new life that grace brings, and it's effect on the flesh, and the way the new man in Christ can live etc.
ML Jones, wow what a blessing he has been to so many. Thank you for quoting him.
You were talking about our behavior does matter and so on, and to put it another way, don't you think the Lord's intent, is that of fruit in our lives, i.e behavior, and that fruit is the result of abiding, and the Holy Spirit's production of the "fruit of the Holy Spirit"?
I very much appreciated your clear and straightforward explanation about our approach to sin, i.e being soft on it, or dealing with it in a way that pleases the Lord.
So, all that to say, and I'm simply asking because it's a real question on my mind, and you have brought it up in the form of a question some time ago.......And, I know you have received alot of input from so many on the questions you raised.....all having to do with the matter of baptizing two women who were openly gay, and apparently were intent on continuing in that lifestyle, but wanted to be baptized, and then join the church and so on.
I'm wondering what finally happened in your own thinking in that area? Or to put it another way, would you baptize and welcome into fellowship that particular couple?
Hope you can see that I'm genuinely simply asking the question, and not trying to challenge you in any hostile way. I had thought of writing you off line, but then thought that this has been a public forum, and you indeed have raised the questions and asked for help or thoughts from others in a public way.
It seems to me, that you have in this post layed a very clear, Christ honoring, Bible teaching foundation that anyone would find hard to disagree with. And, that the answers to the above questions would be answered by the things you have layed out. Well, thanks Darrin, and thanks Mike for your thoughts as well.
P.S, if in bringing up this couple, if I do not have my facts straight, then I'm sorry. My last recall about your input into your own questions was that you chose not to share your thoughts about what you were going to do. Or the discussion just drifted into something else. So, the conclusion of the whole thing has left me wondering.
Again, if I've misunderstood any aspect of what you have said, or what has been said, then, I'm sorry. But, would appreciate your thoughts on it all. God bless you......
I am still wrestling with the gay baptism issue. I can tell you that it has been an eye-opening journey and I'm enjoying the dialogue with various people from diverse backgrounds. I'm glad God has given me the opportunity to explore various issues and viewpoints. It has been good to travel with you and others on the blog.
So far, the most enriching part of my journey has been the opportunity to connect with so many people in the gay community. I've found that many of them feel condemned and rejected by the thousands of people who attend the dozens of churches in our city. If asked, I think most church-goers would say that they have no ill-will towards gays but, as I've learned over time in media and ministry, perception is reality. I'm learning the value of sharing relationships with all people, regardless of their sexual orientation. I want to love uncensored. I want to spend time dancing - not debating. I want to listen more and talk less. I want to earn the right to share the Message.
As far "welcoming them into our fellowship", we welcome all types of people in our fellowship including people who have tattoos, break dietary laws, wear jewelry, and women who don't wear head coverings.
Regarding fruit...Paul defines the fruit of the Spirit as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control. I think all of these characteristics are a natural outflow of understanding God's love for us and all people. When I act unloving, unkind, etc., I have forgotten how much He loves me.
Thanks for taking a genuine interest.
Great blog and discussion.
Darrin, I agree that transformation comes by knowing and experiencing the love of God. The Great Commandment (Matthew 22:37-40) seems to have a natural flow to it - love God and others as you love yourself. In other words, loving God helps us to love ourselves which helps us to love others. Anyway, that is my understanding of the Word and experience with the stories of many who follow Jesus.
So often we pastors focus on the "fruit". What if we talked about and helped people deal with the bad roots first? Wouldn't dealing with the root help people produce good fruit? If we continue to live with roots of rejection, judgments, lies, etc., we will always produce bad fruit! Likewise, helping people exchange the lies with truth and rejection with acceptance and love, will help people produce good fruit. If we keep focusing on the fruit, without the root, it seems to turn into legalism and continual guilt, condemnation, and shame. And, of course, this brings us back to works coming out of wrong motivation, focusing on the outside (fruit) without inside change (roots).
Hi Darrin. Thanks for the response. I'm on my way out the door, but look forward to sharing again with you later in the day. Love you Scott, hope you have a blessed day......
I think if there is a "catch" to grace it's found in these scriptures "God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble" James 4:5 and "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, it(grace) instructs us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of out great God and savior, Christ Jesus;; who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for himself a people for his own pssession zealous for good works." Titus 2:11-14
I think the gospel of grace when preached truly will be "abused" and used as an excuse to sin - in the same way people can and do abuse any good gift of God. They will bring shame on the gospel, the church, and Jesus - but he's big enough to handle it and so should we be.
The gospel is medicine for those humbled by their sin and desperate for grace. "Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" and "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they shall be filled" If you're not there yet you'll throw up the medicine until sufficiently humbled to appreciate it! That's what happened with me.
I think if there is a "catch" to grace it's found in these scriptures "God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble" James 4:5 and "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, it(grace) instructs us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of out great God and savior, Christ Jesus;; who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for himself a people for his own pssession zealous for good works." Titus 2:11-14
I think the gospel of grace when preached truly will be "abused" and used as an excuse to sin - in the same way people can and do abuse any good gift of God. They will bring shame on the gospel, the church, and Jesus - but he's big enough to handle it and so should we be.
The gospel is medicine for those humbled by their sin and desperate for grace. "Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" and "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they shall be filled" If you're not there yet you'll throw up the medicine until sufficiently humbled to appreciate it! That's what happened with me.
Hi Darrin, just wanted to finish up a couple of thoughts on the subject of grace.
In thinking about the gay baptism issue and so on, what Paul said in 1st Cor came to mind.
Those Scriptures are down at the bottom of this post. But, happy for you in your connection with so many different folks in the community. Along with many others, may we be more like Jesus, and known as the friend of sinners. I'm certainly glad that He has been, and is my friend. He has loved me all these years, and has drawn me to Himself by His love and goodness. It's my prayer that my own life can be a witness of His life in me, as I know it is your's and others who share on this blog. May God empower us, and bring great blessing to us and through us.
I did want to share another perspective with you, regarding the christians that I've run into over the years here in Visalia. I've found them to be very genuine in their love for others. I know that love believes all things, and I take people at their word and by their actions. I praise the Lord for the thousands I have met in churches who are like you and me, glad to be saved, and praying for others to be saved also. I have not met too many like you have described.
And, also, most of the folks I've met, like you shared, do indeed welcome into their fellowships those that the Lord draws to them.
For myself, I've not been perfect in this or any other area, but am encouraged by the genuine love I see in so many.
Many tears are shed I'm sure by parents, siblings and others for the lost in our lives and in our families, and in our city.
In fact, over this last year or two, we have seen hundreds and perhaps several thousand gather for prayer and worship for our community. ( Concerts of prayer, and Prayer Breakfasts ) Praise the Lord for these good folks.
Well, enough for now, hope to see you sometime in person and talk, and in the meantime, may the Lord pour out His grace, mercy and love upon each and every member of our city of Visalia.
1Cor 5:1* ¶ It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles--that a man has his father’s wife!
2* And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3* For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
4* In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5* deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6* Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
7* ¶ Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
8* Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9* ¶ I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.
10* Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
11* But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person.
12* For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?
13* But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”
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